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dbdrumsbass
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 Posted - March 09 2010 : 4:44:34 PM
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Vyacheslav mentioned in a post several weeks ago about "Dream Cymbals" in one of our recent general "cymbals" topics.
Anyway, I did go and hear some of the crashes and rides that the store had in stock. Some of those thin crashes creeped me out, they were so thin that Vyacheslav could easy bend them around...they're so thin they are flexible. The various cymbals had good sounds, very unique. I did like all of the bells on ALL of the cymbals...they all had a defind "ting!" to them. Some of my Zildjian crashes have great bells, some do not...neither splash has a distinct bell sound, either. The smallest Dream splashes they had were really high in pitch, like Agogo bells. And there was no wash-out from the vibration of the cymbal, itself. For many people reading this you are probably thinking "who gives a fk about the bells of my crashes and splashes", but I utilize them in my playing, especially when playing latin.
Anyway, I left that day w/o buying anything (vyacheslav, however, scored a great crash that sounded better than a Weckl Signature Sabian, I heard it myself). But I was curious on the rides and none blew me away like the K-Con. I did inquire on the china cymbals (these are made in China, afterall). The store had one large pang in stock, but that was it. They did have some pangs on order, going as small as 10", and should be in soon...
Well, that "soon" was about 2 weeks. Vyacheslav sent me an e-mail letting me know they were in, and he had a chance to hear them. He mentioned the 10" being very "fuzzy", if memory serves me correctly. That's an odd way to put it, or so I thought...
So yesterday early afternoon I go in to hear these cymbals before they officially hit the floor (I had this week-only...they were going to be on display next Monday). He pulls the cymbals out, and I laughed when I saw the 10", looked exactly like someone took a 10" splash and flipped the outer "bow" of the cymbal upward. Had a standard splash-shaped bell on it. But when I hit it I instantly fell in love with it. It is such a soft "swishhhhhh" sound, really cool. Had to have it, and bought it. The next size up was 16", which is the full-blown china pangs. I liked the bell shapes, and I liked that they were thinner than my 18" China-Boy High, which means they'll be "quicker". At first I liked the 18" better, but then I figured out how to strike them properly and the 16" did the right thing for me at that moment. See, I've always inverted my china cymbals but these were mounted such that the edges turn upward ON TOP of the cymbal. So there's that awkward cymbal edge sticking up. Either way, I walked out of there with a 10" and 16" Dream pang cymbals.
I haven't had a chance to play them with my kit yet (with sticks)...this morning I played softly with brushes just to see how they blended with the Zildjians that I have. So far so good!!!
I have to break my kit down tonight, but may try and record a small sample...I haven't pulled the overhead mics down yet from my Evans test samples I posted a short while back. If I get anything recorded in the next couple hours I'll post something soon. If not, it'll have to wait until the weekend, when I can put my kit back together.
I'll at least try and post a pic of this 10" pang (I'm calling it a "mini-swish"). You guys will think "what kind of crap is that?!???"...wait until you hear it!!! |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - March 09 2010 : 4:47:59 PM
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| Oh yeah, one more thing...these Dream cymbals come with a 2-year warranty. So I don't have to worry about holding back when I play them. |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - March 09 2010 : 5:40:49 PM
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Sweet! I played a bunch recently too, just couldn't get the sounds I wanted out of their crashes or hi hats for the type of music I play.Even the energy series was a bit too trashy for my tastes. I think they're definitely aimed at jazz players. I agree db, I don't get that beauty Kcon sound either, but they do make some very nice stuff if dry, trashy, chinese tones are what you're after.
PS - don't Zildjians now have 2 yr warranties, along with Sabians that always did? |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - March 09 2010 : 6:09:51 PM
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Yessir, my last purchased Zildjian cymbal had a 2-year warranty with it. I was just stating that I won't let the thin-ness of these cymbals intimidate me. If I beat them to death I'll do it well within 2 years and can treat them accordingly.
Right now I am in love with this little 10" "swish". It is ultra-cool. The 16" pang is VERY pang-like. My girlfriend said "it sounds like a trash-can lid" when she heard it. It is a Pang, not a "china", so it is pretty dry. But it's quicker, which I like. And definitely more Chinese-sounding. With the little 10" "swish" on the stand where my 9" Zildjian Oriental Trash Splash sits I inverted it over the Dream 16" Pang. I like what it did to the sound of that splash, when I hit the splash. It brightened up the sound of the pang a bit, too. I think I want a higher pitch, though. And this is as small as they get. Perhaps I'll grow accustomed to the sound and my views will change. For what it does to my Oriental Trash Splash, I am loving it at this point. The bell of this 16" Pang is like an inverted cymbal bell, so that splash actually "seats" into this pang a bit. So they do "become one" in a sense. My DW-9000 series hardware allows me to fine-tune the amount of pressure that the wing-nut has on the felts (not sure what the others are doing these days???) so I was able to find a point where the "rattle" between the 2 cymbals was reduced to a minimum, yet keep the cymbals free to move and "speak".
I'm having some technical difficulties in trying to record a sample...I'll grab a camera and at least post pics before I start tearing down. |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - March 09 2010 : 7:58:28 PM
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Ok, firstly...here's my new "little buddy" (my 10" 'Swish'):
(NOTE: This is an ultra thin cymbal...VERY pliable. What a cool sound!!!)
Next up is my new Dream 16" Pang with the 9" Zildjian Oriental Trash Splash inverted above it:
Here's a closeup of how the cymbals are "coupled"...see how it's holding a portion of the bell, not just touching at the drill spots:
EDIT: one interesting thing to not on these Dream Pang cymbals...at these 2 sizes I have one each of the first 100 ever produced. The 16" pang will be for people looking for a specific sound, but this 10" is one cool cymbal...I would not be surprised if this cymbal suddenly gets recognition in the "big boy" world of cymbals... |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
Edited by - dbdrumsbass on March 09 2010 9:41:15 PM |
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MisterMarimba
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USA
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Posted - March 10 2010 : 03:07:31 AM
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vyacheslav
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USA
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Posted - March 10 2010 : 11:23:29 PM
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Yeah, yeah, yeah! Awesome stuff! I had played both of those cymbals as well when they first came in to the store a while back. Both very unique. I really like what you did Danny with the Trash Splash on top. That's like a perfect fit! You certainly got two GREAT cymbals!
These Pang Chinas are pretty sweet. Very unique from anything else on the market today. They are definitley very chinese sounding, and I agree with Danny that they are quicker. Also, even though they are quicker, to me they still have more sustain than a regular "Wuhan" type china. Wuhans (and the regular Dream China-virtually the same in every way to a Wuhan) are all attack, with virtually no sustain. These have a much longer sustain, which makes it sound warmer and not as harsh when first struck. I really like the inverted, cymbal stand friendly bells on these too. Imagine a Paiste Novo China, but with a super tiny bell on it. I own a 22" Dream Pang and am set to grab the 20" tomorrow or Friday. I am having 6 rivets put in the 22", and I will most likely do the same with the 20". I'll have my 22" back on Monday. I really think it will have that "Jeff Hamilton" Trash Can Lid sound to it (that's a GOOD thing!). I'll post some pictures of mine as well. Great work, Danny. Sorry we couldn't hook up at the store this time, but we will soon enough, just don't you worry about that! |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - March 11 2010 : 06:11:19 AM
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| Hey, I put in an order for a second 10" Dream 'mini-swish'. As much as I liked that Oriental Trash Splash inverted over the 16" Dream pang I inverted my new 10" Dream over the 16" and was quite pleased with the result. Liked that sound better than what the Oriental Trash Splash had to offer. Problem is, I miss that 10" by itself...so I'm ordering a second one! |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - March 22 2010 : 5:40:12 PM
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Wow is this new Dream 10" Pang different than the one I purchased a couple weeks ago. The new one has a fuller "shhhhh" sound to it (as though it had a couple rivets in it), where the old one is a little softer/dryer with a quicker decay.
Unfortunately my kit is 3/4's apart now, as my 4-piece "kit on the go" is in cases at the moment. So I can't get to know the new one too much...I just got the new one today, mounted it on a cymbal stand, and struck it a couple times.
Vyacheslav, we need to get together again soon. I'm assuming your new Dream 22" Pang has the rivets in it now?? Would love to hear it. You HAVE to hear this new 10" Pang...
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Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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vyacheslav
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USA
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Posted - March 23 2010 : 9:35:31 PM
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Sounds cool to me, DB. Would love to hear this new pang. I would like to hear both together, actually.
I did get my 22" pang back. It sounds awesome. My only regret is that I probably should have gone with 8 rivets instead of 6, but it still sounds very cool.
What is your Saturday (27th) looking like? |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - March 24 2010 : 07:38:52 AM
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Eh, Saturday is kinda bad. I have to set my Soul/Funk band up at Carlo & Johnny at noon, will be out of there around 1:30, then I'll have to go back home and get some things done before returning to the gig later that night.
Next week Tues-Thurs evenings are booked up, too...lots of band rehearsals these days!! |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - March 24 2010 : 08:11:11 AM
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Eh, Saturday is kinda bad. I have to set my Soul/Funk band up at Carlo & Johnny at noon, will be out of there around 1:30, then I'll have to go back home and get some things done before returning to the gig later that night.
Next week Tues-Thurs evenings are booked up, too...lots of band rehearsals these days!! |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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Took the "Dream" cymbal plunge...
