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bathroomsurgeryrecords
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Canada
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 Posted - January 04 2010 : 7:09:47 PM
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Just ordered this beauty:
6.5 x 14 Ludwig Supraphonic 402
For those of you who don't know, this is the most recorded snare drum in history. The shell is basically aluminum, and was immortalized by John Bonham, Alex Van Halen etc etc. It's THE rock and roll snare drum.
This particular drum also has the 100th Anniversary Ludwig badge. Sweet! |
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Elijah Rain
Hippie Child
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Posted - January 04 2010 : 8:42:14 PM
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| Dude. How are you not in debt to someone yet? xD |
The difference between dying in a stupid way and dying naturally is whether or not you're trying to get on youtube. |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 04 2010 : 9:24:23 PM
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You just got a 6.5x14" Black Beauty, too, right???
I have the 5x14 Black Beauty (bought it at a Mars Music close-out for almost nothing and I couldn't pass it up (gold hardware and all). She's a beauty for sure!!
I'm going to look into this aluminum Supraphonic snare. I have a killer brass snare now (my Black Beauty) and I have love/hate feelings about chrome snares...this may be my answer. I'll have to research.
Thanks for sharing!! How long until you receive it? |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 04 2010 : 11:18:42 PM
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Yeah man, I should get it within two weeks. I know what you mean about chrome snares... I always associated them with cheap snare drums. I'll have to keep that Ludwig badge face out so people know this is THE original chrome drum that everyone else tried and failed miserably to duplicate! (often using cheap steel...yuck)
Black Beauties are another drum that have been very poorly replicated by other companies. There are no seams on the Ludwig Supras and Black Beauties, unlike the cheap rolled brass knock offs! They just can't replicate that "mojo" either.
Have you ever played a bronze supra DB? I haven't, but I hear they're supposed to be awesome.
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 05 2010 : 06:58:54 AM
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I've never played a bronze shelled snare, period.
Hey, speaking of these Ludwig snares, my Black Beauty has been slowly breaking off snare strands, it's a 20-snare strand (well it stared out that way) and now it's down to about 14. So I jump online and do a search for a Ludwig replacement, and I find a Ludwig super sensitive 20-strand and I order it thinking it was mine. Instead it's some strange design where there are 2 sets of 10-strand snares that are connected at the ends, and don't have any holes for snare strings to tie it or slots for the plastic straps. Do you know what the replacement snare is that I should be ordering? If I walk into a music store they are going to try and sell me something off their shelves, and I want an exact replacement. Any info? I keep stumbling on this same 20-strand Ludwig sensitive snare strand that obviously does not go with my throw-off strainer.
EDIT: I'll take some pics and post them later of what I'm referring to when talking about the snare strands above...what I currently have and what showed up at my door that I thought was a replacement. |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
Edited by - dbdrumsbass on January 05 2010 07:19:23 AM |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 05 2010 : 4:37:44 PM
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 05 2010 : 9:28:16 PM
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That's probably the issue. Check these snares out:
Here's the label, as it was shown when I clicked-to-order. Looked right to me, 20-strands and for a 14" diameter snare:
But, check out the design...certainly not applicable for my snare's throw-off (the red wire tie is simply attaching it to the cardboard backing...nothing to do with this 20-strand design):
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Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - January 05 2010 : 9:38:03 PM
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Found this little bit of info online pertaining to your new snare (to get back on-topic):
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'Most supraphonics from that era were chrome-plated aluminum or chrome over brass. According to the book "John Bonham:A Thunder of Drums" considering Bonham's snares: "These drums are mostly chrome-plated over a Ludalloy [aluminum] shell. Bonham didn't like the more highly prized brass-shelled drums. He said they were too dark....As for the actual snare wires beneath the drum, which normally have 20 coils, Ocheltree reports that Bonham used a 42-strand snare on the last tour for a little wider sound."'
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Interesting, indeed!!!! |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
Edited by - dbdrumsbass on January 05 2010 9:38:40 PM |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
2946 Posts |
Posted - January 05 2010 : 11:18:14 PM
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Definitely vintage wires you got there. I don't know a ton about that, but I think those are super-sensitive snares.
I got 30-strand puresounds with the Supra, should be sweet! Can you return those snare wires of yours?
Anyway, that's a cool little paragraph about Bonham and the 402! Thanks for posting that. The chrome over brass are nice drums too, just a little different...Closer to the black beauty. It's awesome, there's so many good Supraphonics, I want them all now! |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 06 2010 : 07:50:58 AM
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Yeah, I can ship those snares back. These obviously hook to the strainer directly. I'll have to keep searching for the proper replacement so I can be back to normal. My snare still sounds good, it's just getting less and less "snarie" as they are breaking off. Those little tack welds can only hold on so long.
As for this aluminum Ludwig snare, I can't stop thinking about it. I want to grow a nice collection of snare drums, but I want a couple main workhorses. My Black Beauty is one...it will be buried with me along with my DW kit when I pass on LOL. I like wood snares, but not all the time. For example, in a heavy rock situation where there's a guitar player with a Les Paul playing through a Marshall stack a wood snare will have a hard time cutting through that wall-o-midrange.
...But this Supraphonic 402 may be the answer to the other one, since I've yet to find a chrome snare that blows me away.
Must...order...one...ASAP!! |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
Edited by - dbdrumsbass on January 06 2010 08:38:17 AM |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
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Canada
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 06 2010 : 8:56:12 PM
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Thanks for the link. I expected the drum to be in the $500 range, so I was QUITE happy to see that price on your link above. I need to call that guy...
As far as buying my drum gear, it really depends on what I need and how fast I need it. Mainly I purchase my necessities (sticks -n- heads) online. |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
2946 Posts |
Posted - January 06 2010 : 9:32:48 PM
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| Yeah man, Shane's prices are better than anyone online I've seen for these drums. I got my Legacy snare from him as well. |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 18 2010 : 11:35:36 AM
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Been 2 weeks since you ordered. I still haven't gotten to order mine yet...I need to set up my budget for the year and see what kind of money I'll have available this year for gear (last year I spent $3200 in gear, which will get claimed on my 2009 taxes of course). I have a long list of items that I want to invest in, including a new rack with compressors so that I can run my own drum mix from the stage and only send 2 signals (stereo MAIN out L/R) to the board. THAT'S going to be a pricey purchase, but then I'll be 100% self-sufficient as a "drummer-for-hire".
Anyway, back to the snare drums...I mentioned earlier that I want a second "main workhorse" snare drum to go alongside my Ludwig Black Beauty, which is by far the nicest snare that I have owned. The responsiveness and attack are so nice, and it really has some nice body. The darker tone is nice, but something that I don't want to always have to use, which is where this Supraphonic 402 comes into play.
I was reminded of a benefit concert that I put on with 2 other musicians back in September, one of them being a Randall guitar amp endorser and the bass player is someone who I have dealt with over the phone pertaining to the bass amps/cabs that I play, and that's how I know him. Never met either of these guys face to face, and he only knew that I "also played the drums" (since I'm a bass player to him...). W/o rehearsals we just showed up and played at this outdoor huge bandshell. At any rate, I pulled up some of the video and my first thought was "holy CRAP, my snare RULES!!!!". I really like how it sounds in this live video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvBiuvxzHvc |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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Elijah Rain
Hippie Child
367 Posts |
Posted - January 18 2010 : 1:40:34 PM
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| Nice cover. Especially with you're first attempt as a full band. I can't really tell on the vid, and I've been wondering. How long is the decay on that snare? I'm trying to find a snare with minimal decay for ghost notes and performing live. |
The difference between dying in a stupid way and dying naturally is whether or not you're trying to get on youtube. |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 18 2010 : 2:42:08 PM
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| Elijah - if minimal decay is what you want, get an Evans ST dry head. It'll dry out any drum. My problem with that head is that it tends to make a lot of drums sound similar, and kills natural aspects of the sound, but if a dry snare tone is what you want, get that head. |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 18 2010 : 2:43:43 PM
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oh, forgot to mention Danny, nice snare!
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 18 2010 : 3:47:10 PM
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Thanks, guys!
Elija, I've been using an Aquarian coated "reverse dot" head on that snare for a while. The tone of my snare is on the drier side, but it still has that brass color and body to it. I also keep the snares on the loose side, and the resonating head is also on the loose side. I hate hearing snares that are cranked up tight and choked. It's easier to play on a tight snare head, but a lot of times you are GREATLY sacrificing the natural tone of the snare by cranking those heads, at least to my ears.
Hard to really hear the snare in any of these videos...it's just a video camera's mic that is picking up the sound. In my first Guitar Center drum-off video on my YouTube page (www.youtube.com/dbdrumsbass) I throw the snares off for a bit, so you can hear the natural sounds of the drum. You can also see that I play with tons of ghost notes on the snare... |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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Elijah Rain
Hippie Child
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Posted - January 18 2010 : 9:58:03 PM
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| I like the sound a lot. It reminds me of a talking drum, but I think that's from the way you said you tune it. Did GC let you pick your own snare or were you just lucky? |
The difference between dying in a stupid way and dying naturally is whether or not you're trying to get on youtube. |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 19 2010 : 06:55:51 AM
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Originally posted by Elijah Rain
I like the sound a lot. It reminds me of a talking drum, but I think that's from the way you said you tune it. Did GC let you pick your own snare or were you just lucky?
That's my snare...they let you use your own kick pedal and new in 2009 was allowing you to use your own snare. So that's MY Black Beauty with the gold hardware, using the Aquarian reverse dot head.
EDIT: As far as the different sounds go when I threw off the snares, note that I was trying to get timbale-like overtones out of it. Note that I was playing matched grip and NOT my usual traditional grip, AND I was playing with the butt-end of the sticks. So those rim shots were SPEAKING!! Just for the record (once again) that is a 5x14, not. 6.5x14.
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Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
Edited by - dbdrumsbass on January 19 2010 07:19:11 AM |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 19 2010 : 4:32:00 PM
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| my Supraphonic just came in the mail. My guitar player is in Mexico on vacation, so I won't get to play it for a week or so in a band setting to really hear how it speaks. It's a beauty though, I've been staring at it, in all of it's timeless glory... |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
363 Posts |
Posted - January 19 2010 : 4:52:25 PM
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AWESOME!! It's been on my mind since you started this post...ordering my very own!!
Curious to hear your thoughts on the 30-strand snare setup that you had them add to it.
"It's so sensitive that you just LOOK at it and the snares will buzz"...that's what I expect!! LOL... |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
2946 Posts |
Posted - January 19 2010 : 11:08:08 PM
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Haha, I actually forgot to mention... I originally wanted the Puresound Equalizer snare wires, he didn't have them, so I went with the 30 strand, but just before he shipped the drum, he got the Equalizer wires in stock, so he shipped it with those.
I find snare buzz really annoying, and that it interferes with the tone of my other drums sometimes, so apparently these will really help solve that annoying problem! |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 24 2010 : 11:01:04 PM
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| so I played this drum for the first time tonight. It's "THAT" snare sound. You know, when you think of how a snare drum sounds, this is pretty much it. Just that classic rock and roll snare drum sound. Between this, and my Ludwig Legacy, I may be set for life. |
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dbdrumsbass
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - January 25 2010 : 07:15:21 AM
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Originally posted by bathroomsurgeryrecords
Between this, and my Ludwig Legacy, I may be set for life.
That's what I'm going to say when I order mine, and have it alongside my Black Beauty.
How you lasted this long w/o playing it is beyond me. From one drummer to another, you have WAY more patience than I do.
I have to wait until income tax return money enters my acct before I can order mine. Hopefully this guy will still have some in stock. If not, I'll order one regardless. This, along with a second SKB rolling trap case for hardware, are the 2 top drum investments for 2010. Both will get ordered as soon as my tax money rolls in.
Snare buzz doesn't bother me, but I'm going to look into these snares that go put on your drum at the last minute...afterall, I still need to put a new set of snares on my Black Beauty... |
Danny "dB" Berton
www.dannyberton.com
DW "Collectors Series" maple kit with MAY internal mic system
DW 9000-series Hardware
Zildjian Hats/Crashes/Ride ; Dream Chinas
Vater "Power 5A" sticks
Roc-n-Soc drum throne
SKB cases |
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
Advanced Member
Canada
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Posted - January 25 2010 : 1:00:42 PM
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| Those wires don't even make that much of a difference with snare buzz anyway. Good sounding wires tho though. I had to wait a little bit due to some renovations in our practise space...otherwise, I would have been on that, don't worry! |
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Beatle Drummer
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bathroomsurgeryrecords
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Canada
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Posted - March 09 2010 : 12:36:54 PM
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| I'm down to three now. 2 Ludwigs, and one Pork Pie. The Ludwigs are just incredible, the best snares I've ever had, and I've had A LOT of snares from virtually every company there is as far as bigger drum companies go... |
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mr_kaliyuga
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Posted - April 25 2010 : 12:03:05 PM
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You shouldn't feel bad for owning several snares. I think I have ten at the moment!
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yes, again, ANOTHER new snare drum.
